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They have a very different view of our relationship with Europe, and although there's a lot of changes we have to make in that world order to accommodate the changes that have taken place in the last 70 years, we believe very strongly at the Biden Institute that it's not to throw out, throw out the liberal world order, the worst thing in the world we can have is this new naked nationalism America first. I believe making America first, in the way we're doing it, will make America last.