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Ultimately the only thing that [ brings ] successful entertainers together is just complete dedication and hard work and focus -- focus on their craft, so to put someone on a pedestal as being more than life -- larger than life -- is a mistake when you're hanging out with them because then people feel like they have a pressure to sort of be someone that they're not when they're with you. Most people just want to be able to relax and not have to talk about themselves.