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When he was a younger guy, he really thought that puppetry was only going to be part of what he would do with his life creatively, and that he would also be a filmmaker -- and particularly an experimental filmmaker, so when the Muppets became so popular, with' Sesame Street' and then with' The Muppet Show,' he didn't want to just continue to only do the Muppets. He always had other things that he wanted to pursue creatively, and' The Dark Crystal' was The Dark Crystal ', and his first big breakaway.