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I also know the way that black women leaders can be used by white politicians and white men, and I think that Stacey Abrams has found Stacey Abrams in a position where it was very important to name drop Stacey Abrams in the 2020 primary, and nearly every single candidate did. And then when Stacey Abrams's pointedly asked the question about Stacey Abrams ambition, Stacey Abrams started to be criticized for that.