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I used to think that hate could be defeated, it could be wiped out. But I learned a long time ago, it can't. It only hides. It hides. It hides under the rocks. And given any oxygen at all, it comes out. It's a minority view, but it comes out, and it comes out raging. And it's been given too much oxygen in the last four, five, seven, 10 years, and it has seen itself, whether it was -- I remember spending time at the -- you know, going to the -- you know, the Tree of Life Synagogue, speaking with the -- just --.