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Once upon a time, you had a fire every 100 to 150 years in one location, which means the forest completely regenerates and you end up with a mature forest, and then the fire comes along, and then you start again, what we're seeing in some parts of Eastern Siberia is the fires are happening every 10 to 30 years now, in some places, and what Eastern Siberia means is the forest is not going to be able to become mature, and you end up with an [ ecosystem ] shift to kind of a shrub land or swampy grassland.

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